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Improved Action Springs for VersaMax Shotguns

If you came here looking for muzzle loader solutions, you are at the right website, and probably will need to click one of the banners above or just go to ‘Our Products.’ For todays’ installement I’m going to discuss our new product to help those who shoot Remington VersaMax shotguns.

Observant customers will find that most of our products follow my hobbies and activities. Living a quiet life and working with my hands has been my ambition for quite some time. Once I retired from wearing a uniform, that became more of a reality. At that same time that I retired, we found a nice place in the woods of Michigan’s thumb. I was blessed to spend more time in the fields, waters, and woods chasing game than I had previously. So I’ve succeeded in puting quiet a few rounds through my favorite hunting guns these last few years. When I grab a shotgun it’s my VersaMax unless its a walk around all day sort of hunt (like for pheasant).

On a conservation snow goose hunt out west, my previously 100% VersaMax began to let me down. I stumbled around and eventually came to understand the shotgun’s shortcomings and how to fix them. So I still use and love my VersaMax, and I hope to share with you a few products that can help you to keep loving and using yours.

Before I talk more about the new action/recoil spring we’ve made for the VersaMax, let me quickly recap the 3 areas that tend to produce the light strike/failures to fire in these guns.

1: The bolt cam pin and bolt carrier interface is commonly bad. Remington left burs from milling the cam slot, and the original cam pins don’t last. So pull your bolt apart and examine them closely. Remove any burs, buff out any gouges, and replace deformed cam pins

VersaMax Bolt with scar from burr in bolt carrier cam pin slot
VersaMax Bolt with scar from burr in bolt carrier cam pin slot
File knocking burr of edge of cam pin slot in VersaMax bolt carrier
File knocking burr of edge of cam pin slot in VersaMax bolt carrier
Deformed Remington Versa Max pin compared to new
Deformed Remington Versa Max pin compared to new

2: Remington missed the mark on the hammer spring cap/plunger: mine was chrome plated. The chrome plating was chipping off. It make an abrasive crud that worked away the ‘pot metal’ casting of the trigger group and bound it up. Then once I cleaned and removed the crud the edge of the chrome would still grab it and cause the hammer to hick-up and hang up. I removed the spring and plunger and replaced them with Benelli parts.

We call these “Remelli” kits…. Benelli parts in a Remington shotgun. This works because the VersaMax is a Benelli clone (for the most part).

3. We finally get to discuss the new part we offer: VersaMax Action Springs. All springs wear out. Their life is measured in cycles. A full cycle is a compression to its miniumum working length then release to its maximum. Eventually the cycles will reduce the force the spring produces to a point that the mechanism becomes unreliable.

In the VersaMax this is further aggravated because the owner’s manual doesn’t advise one of the need to remove and clean the action/recoil spring. This spring resides in a tube in the buttstock. The bolt carrier’s ‘rat tail’ engages this spring’s plunger. And with each cycle of the bolt, it subjects this spring to a cycle.

So first we have to regularly remove the spring and clean the plunger, tube, and spring. Then lightly lube with gunoil, then reassemble. And the manual doesn’t tell us of this. If we omit this service, the crud that build in there further robs the recoil spring of pushing force. And once enough crud builds up, or the spring looses enough push from cycles, the gun becomes unreliable. This is because the recoil/action spring must push the bolt fully closed or the gun cannot go bang.

Once I took care of 1 & 2, and began diligently cleaning the recoil/action spring, I got reliability back… atleast until the spring wore totally out about 100 rounds later.

Versa Max worn out original action spring against factory new spring
Worn Action Spring (under 12 in) against new (~13in)

So we bought and sold Remington made VersaMax action springs. When they became unattainable, I began to examine the Remington original spring’s construction, and dusted off my limited understanding of spring design. I enlisted the help of USA engineers who specialize in springs, and we’ve produced (in the USA) a replacement spring that has the same “push” force as the original factory spring, but will do it for considerably more cycles. (I’ve been told to expect near double the cycles, but that will prove out over time.)

When it comes to springs, some folks and some vendors seem to treat them like they are magic or that they have special materials in their springs. Springs are not magical, and there isn’t any special fairy dust that get’s you more out of spring. Springs, like all things, are devices that have trade offs. Pushing harder (ie getting a ‘higher power’ spring) also has it’s trade offs. Quite simply, we improved this springs function by better using the space in the recoil spring tube to push just as hard, but for more cycles. We did it by spending a little more on better craftsmanship and production methods (like setting the springs)… and a little bit more metal per spring. Its just a better design made better here in the USA: no special fairy dust & no exotic spring materials needed.

Just remember: all springs wear out. We are confident our VersaMax recoil/action springs (F4011305IMP) will work just the same as the factory original, but for longer (ie more cycles).

You’ll see these for sale on our website around Nov 2025. We’ll open them up for “backorder” sales once we have a firm ship date from the spring manufacturer. We ship our backorders expeditiously once the product arrives so make your purchase with confidence!

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Satisfied customer wrote in

We love to help. We especially appreciate positive feedback.

Moving to this new website , we are the same people that have been providing the same solutions, we’ve been separated from our old reviews and blog posts. So when Gary O from Texas wrote in with praise and a picture of a target, I asked if we could post it here (he said yes).

Hi Tom,
Just wanted to let you know how happy I am with your closed breech Kit for my Remington 700ML. Sent you the bolt and got it back and it works great. Sending pictures of 3 rounds fired after sighting in the rifle. No blow back. I am sure that a better trigger will tighten up the groups even more. Next trip out I will shoot at 100 and 200 yards. Thanks for a great product.

Gary O
Flower Mound, TX

If you need help with your Remington 700ML or MLS rifle, Ruger 77-50, Savage 10ML-2 or 10ML, or have a 209 inline muzzle loader that shot great at first but the groups have opened up, check out the infromation on our website, give us a call at 989 595 2526, fill out a contact form, or go to our products and we probably offer something that can help you too.

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Getting ready for Colorado Muzzle-Loader season?

We’ve been selling and installing our great 209 conversions for years now.   And I’ve noticed my questions and sales following trends influenced by the various hunting seasons and their associated rules.   This time of year many folks are getting ready for Colorado’s muzzle loader season, typically focusing on harvesting an elk.   So annually, I edit and re-post this entry.   The commentary here was also added the to the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions).

Rem 700 MLS feeding 209 primer into sealed breech - close up
Close up of Remington 700 MLS feeding 209 primer into sealed breech

FAQ Entry:

Q:  I hunt in Colorado, sabots are not allowed for hunting during muzzle loader season.   I want to use your awesome 209 conversion, but you say you recommend sabots with jacketed handgun bullets.  What are my options?


Animated Gif Loading primer in Remington 700 209 sealed breech
Animated Gif Loading primer in Remington 700 209 sealed breech

 A:   Short answer is our kit will work great with any projectile.   The issue is not all powders work with all projectiles. I’ve found Pyrodex, Triple Se7en, and black powder work best with non sabot projectiles.  So I suggest that you use our kit and any muzzle loader safe powder (besides BlackHorn209) for your  Colorado hunts with Colorado legal projectiles.

UPDATE TO ADD:  Some folks are reporting good results with the new Hornady Bore-Driver bullets.   They have a substantial plastic base on them that seems to seal well and function with BlackHorn209.  You may want to try it out yourself.

Long answer:

I realize not all 50 state have the same rules.  And some state’s rules are just plain silly.   I wrote a blog post about that.

The main thing to remember here: the powder you chose must be compatible with the  projectiles you use.

Our kit will seal the breech, which keeps the crud out of the bolt and action no matter what muzzle loader safe propellant you chose.    Our kit is compatible with all muzzle loader safe propellants:  pellets, loose powder, etc.  Also using 209’s will give you more ignition heat and thus more reliable ignition over caps.  And seeing our system keeps the crud sealed into the breech plug, the 209 is ignited reliably too.  But the powder and projectile choice is up to the shooter.  Read the manuals/instructions and follow them when developing loads. Blackhorn209 powder is different from Pyrodex & Triple7even: To be reliable BlackHorn209 needs to be fully sealed; i.e. sealed at the breech (which our kit does), and sealed at the projectile.    Minnie balls, minet, power belts, B.O.R. Lock MZ and other easy loading projectiles that are legal for Colorado muzzle loading, don’t usually seal until the powder combusts and forces them into the grooves.   This deformation sealing the bore after combustion is called obturation.    The problem is BlackHorn209 doesn’t burn well until it’s sealed and can build pressure.  So it’s likely to have bloopers, miss fires, and hang fires with obturating projectiles.  Sabots seal well to start, thus if you are using BlackHorn209, it’s recommended to use sabots. 

Though the new Hornady Bore Driver bullets are reported to seal well and work with BlackHorn209, I haven’t tried them myself.

Never use smokeless powder in your Remington/Ruger!   It says it right on the barrel!

Because Colorado doesn’t allow sabots during the muzzle loader seasons I would stay away from Blackhorn209.  (or with a lot of trial, I may try the Hornady Bore Drivers).

Otherwise, If I was hunting in Colorado, I’d use our kit, choose a heavy projectile (250gr or more) that seals on ignition: Hornady BoreDriver, Thor, minie ball, lead conical, etc.   But without a lot of testing, I wouldn’t use BlackHorn209;  I’d try Triple7even, or Pyrodex.  Although they are not as easy to clean, and will foul the barrel, they are very easy to ignite even when not sealed, and will obturate the projectile and push it down the barrel forcefully.  

Black powder will work just fine with these sorts of projectiles too. I do have a few clients that report success with Blackhorn209 and magnum primers (CCI 209M or Federal 209A) using Hornady FPB’s or its aforementioned replacement: Bore Driver… and also with Thor bullets.  I also had one that said the Thors worked well at the range, but didn’t fire when he had a nice bull in his sights.  He said it was extremely chilly that morning, his rifle was cold soaked, and the Blackhorn209 wouldn’t go bang.  He was very frustrated.  

I suspect it was because the projectile shrunk with the cold, and the copper jacket wasn’t quite as malleable.  Also cold powder is just a bit harder to get burning, and thus that setup was unable to obturate the looser projectile and keep the BlackHorn209 burning. Thus without a lot of testing (like putting a loaded rifle in a freezer, pulling it out and shooting the combo… repeatedly).   I would stick with Pyrodex or TripleSeven for Colorado muzzle loader hunting: they will go bang with an obturating bore riding projectile when you need it, even when it is very cold.

Outside Colorado, Idaho, and Oregon, I recommend sabots because they have been accurate, easy to load, and jacketed hand gun bullets have always been very effective for me.   Whatever powder you chose, the velocities your muzzle loader will produce are essentially the same that good jacketed handgun bullets are designed for.   They tend to kill quickly and bring home game.   Sabots are allowed in most states, so that’s what I usually recommend.

Long-term:  If I voted in Colorado, I’d pressure my legislature to change the muzzleloader rules.   Removing the most effective projectiles (jacketed handgun bullets are great in muzzle loaders), and the most modern muzzleloading propellant (Black Horn 209) from use is bad for the game receiving the projectile.   I believe the no sabots rule promotes wounded/lost animals.


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When WD-40 isn’t WD-40 it can be really good

For this installment of the Badger’s Den, I’d like to discuss WD-40.

But first, let me assure you: We are the same people delivering the same simple effective solutions as always. So if a web search brought you here looking for solutions for your muzzle loader, gun cabinet/safe storage & organizers, tool organization, etc. You are in the right place, and probably just a click or two away from finding it (try one of the links in the prior sentence), or try the menu in the side bar (if you are on a desktop computer… or scroll down if you are on your phone). Or just click here to go to Our Products.

But I hope you stick around and read my thoughts on WD-40.

What is WD-40? Now-a-days, that’s a tricky question. For many years, WD-40 was just the light oily stuff in a blue and yellow can that seemed to be on the shelf in every store. It got used on everything. And it got a bad reputation for drying out and leaving a cruddy crust that seemed to jam stuff up more than fix or lube it.

But now-a-days, WD-40 is still that same oily stuff in a can, and it’s a company, with an entire “WD-40 Specialist” product line. To keep it simple for this post, I’m going to address “Traditional WD-40” as just “WD-40.” The “WD-40 company” will be called “WD-40 company”. All the other “specialist” products the WD-40 Company sells, will be addressed by what I commonly call them: “WD-40 Dry lube” “WD-40 Corrosion Inhibitor” etc.

We don’t sell any WD-40 company products. But I use four of them, and you might too. Seeing they are available just about everywhere, effective when understood, and typically reasonably priced, it’s understandable that you’d have some on the shelf and use it. But the question is, are you using it correctly?

WD-40 actually does stack up ‘OK’ against many other products commonly used in automechanics: grime removal, rust penetrant, etc. It’s rarely the best, but it’s typically OK.

When it comes to guns, if you listen you will find lots of different opinions on WD-40’s usefulness. Many will have horror stories, and tend to be negative. You probably heard stuff like: “Absolutely never use WD-40 on a gun.” If you did a little research you’d find statements claiming WD-40 products are in use in most gunsmithing schools. Can both be true? Is there more to this?

I get to talk to a lot of folks on the phone as part of our business. Some folks hate all things WD-40. They usually have a story that goes along with it. I sometimes ask them what they mean when they say “WD-40” there’s so many cans with that logo on it now, that it can be confusing. I usually keep it simple with them and tell them I used WD-40 all the time, but:

Traditional WD-40 is never the only thing, nor last thing I use on any firearm component!

WD-40 products
WD-40 products I use regularly

Let’s start our discussion with the Traditional WD-40. My understanding is that:

  • WD-40 was formulated as a “Water Displacement” product while trying multiple formulations, and as it was the 40th formulation that was tried, it was named WD-40.
  • The US Air Force was the largest of WD-40’s first purchasers. The USAF prescribed it as a metal treatment for it’s Titan Missiles. It was rubbed on the outer bare stainless steel skin to protect it from corrosion. On things like missiles, paint has weight and weight adds up. The missile can fly farther with a heavier payload the lighter it is, so they omitted paint and had the missileers rub them with WD-40.
  • The Air Force guys got used to using WD-40 elsewhere and also seemed to be in the habit of bringing it home and using it on more stuff there. They wanted to buy it commercially, so it hit the shelves. It got used on all sorts of mechanisms, and became the ubiquitous can of lube on most folks shelves. WD-40 became so universal, that the company that made and sold WD-40 changed it’s name to “WD-40.”
  • Please note: Traditional WD-40 wasn’t specifically designed as a lubricant, nor a penetrant. However it does seem to work pretty well in those regards… at least until the carrier evaporates and leaves a crusty crud that can jam up mechanisms.

So what does this mean for us gun owners? To me its pretty simple: I use WD-40 to clean crud off guns all the time. I find it especially useful in neglected black powder rifle bolts (something I work on regularly). If one of my guns takes a dip in the water, or hunts in the rain, I’ll hit it heavy with WD-40 too. But WD-40 is never the only thing, nor the last thing to touch one of my guns.

And again, I’m talking traditional WD-40 here. I see it as an effective, inexpensive way to remove moisture and heavy grime. Once that is gone, I remove the WD-40 with something else, and then lube and protect with a final more expensive product designed for the job: like gun oil (Rem-Oil, CLP, etc).

WD-40 specialist products
Three useful WD-40 specialist products

Don’t confuse WD-40 (traditional) with the Specialists. The “Specialists” are entirely different animals. Like WD-40 the “specialists” are reasonably priced, and readily available. They have specialized focuses. I use two of them daily, and pretty sure I have a third & fourth on the shelf too.

Mostly I use WD-40 Specialist Dry Lube. I use it often to remove the Traditional WD-40 I just doused something down with. The evaporative carrier in Dry Lube does a great job of carrying everything left behind away, and leaving it dry but lightly lubed with small PTFE balls. This dry lube feels slick, and leaves a surface that won’t attract dust, hold grime, and most of all doesn’t gel in the cold. I love to clean out shotgun magazine tubes with WD-40 Dry Lube and let it stay slick for feeding shells. Gun actions, trigger packs, and the interior of bolts get heavy doses of Dry Lube. The grime is allowed to float away. Then these mechanisms get drops of gun oil (Rem-oil/CLP) or small dabs of grease where needed.

Like it says on the Dry Lube can: this stuff works great on things like table saw blades, miter saw blades, and other stuff you want to keep dust free. I’ve seen a noticeable difference in how my saws cut after applying a little bit of it.

When I get metal that’s exposed or I need to store something and not worry about corrosion, I’ll hit it with WD-40 Specialist Corrosion Inhibitor. Frequently old antique guns that get stored more than shot, get cleaned, get whipped down with the WD-40 Specialist Corrosion Inhibitor, and then put away. The stuff is pretty greasy. So If I’m going to shoot a gun I coated with Specialist Corrosion Inhibitor, I remove it and lube it properly with standard gun products. But that gun stays lightly coated with the Corrosion Inhibitor most of the time its in storage.

Small metal parts that I stock and sell get hit with Corrosion Inhibitor too. If you buy something from us, like Small Ruger Screws, they will arrive with a light coating of this stuff. I don’t use the corrosion inhibitor everyday, and maybe there is something better out there, but I’m still working through my first can of the stuff I bought a while back.

The third type I have sitting around is Specialist Electric Contact cleaner. I’ve used it to blast gunk out of automotive electrical connectors & parts.

The fourth is the white lithium grease. It doesn’t seem special compared to any other white lithium grease I’ve used. While I have a bunch of dry lube cans, I only have one of the inhibitor, the contact cleaner, and one of the white grease.

So is WD-40 good or bad? Well what WD-40 are you talking about? What is the application? I’d say WD-40 company products, are pretty good values, when you understand them and use them correctly. Like anything: if you want success, you need to be smarter than what you are operating. Start by reading the instructions!

The gallon can I refill my “trigger pro” from

Are the Specialists the best at what they do? Maybe? The real question to ask is, “Are they effective enough and can you get your hands on them?” To me those are both “YES” answers, so I use them.

As a farewell, I’d like to point out that I rarely buy and use the aerosol version of Traditional WD-40. I get the “trigger pro” and refill it from gallon jugs. The trigger pro can seems designed to prevent refills, so it does take some creative use of pliers, exacto knives, and funnels. I cannot find a more simple effective affordable manner to clean all the grimy Remington 700 ML/MLS bolts sent to me. But those same bolts never leave with just Traditional WD-40 on them: its all Dry Lube, a drop of oil, and 3M molybdenum disulfide grease when they go.

Traditional WD-40 is never the only thing, nor last thing I use on any firearm component!

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Tool chest organizing widgets are changing my workshop

I’m embarrassed, but I’ll admit it: I’m disorganized and inefficient compared to what I expect of myself.

I like to work on all sorts of things, but I don’t invest the time and thought I should into organizing and cleaning up. I frequently finish a project, but fail to really ‘finish’ it by putting all the tools that got drug out back where they belong. Eventually when I need those same tools, I then cannot find them. Along the way I’ve bought a bunch of different sets of box end wrenches, and frequently grab more onesie-twosie at swap-n-shops. I occasionally have to cut weld or bend one to make a custom wrench for a specific job. So I have multiples of the same size in all sorts of lengths. When I need one of them, I typically have to stop and think about the last project I completed with that tool, and then begin searching the locale where that project was done. Or dig through the pile in the respective tool drawer.

I have resolved to do better. I know that the foundation of being organized is having a place for everything, then making sure to put everything back in its place. And to that end, I went around the shop and started gathering all the loose wrenches, screw drivers, pliers etc. When I pulled out the drawers of my tool chest and tossed them all in, I realized I had only just begun.

The ‘before’ pic of my wrench drawer after I tossed in the wrenches floating around the shop

That’s when inspiration hit me. I wanted to get started organizing, but of course, I had a whole bunch of other things that I had to get done before I could act on that inspiration. I turned those obligations into opportunities to continue working out in my mind what I was thinking of doing. Where I wanted to end up. Once I’d cleared my obligations out of the way, I rewarded myself with some time ‘CADing’ out what I had in my head for a tool drawer organizing widget:

Tool Drawer Organizing Widget
This little widget interlocks with other widgets and has a magnet in it to hold tools in a tool chest drawer

At first I realized I had to keep it simple: just tackle all the box end wrenches that continually floated around. I knew that I didn’t want to make an investment into designing a “perfect” large organizer that I’d have to change and reprint once I bought new tools, or a different tool chest. I needed something flexible, that would adapt with changes in the work shop. So I decided a small flexible modular approach was best. I knew I wanted a magnet in the organizers to help hold the tools in their proper place. That’s what I “cadded.”

Then once I had the widget in my hand and I began to use it, I realized that I needed more than one size, that I wanted to follow the convention of metric-Blue, inch-red, and that these same widgets could organize many different types of tools. Along the way I think I got my box end & flare nut wrenches the way I want (at least for now):

This is the “after” picture for the “before” picture above: MUCH BETTER! Even have room to spare!

Now I just have to make myself put these wrenches back in their proper place when I’m done with the project that draws them out of the drawer. I also want to come up with a flexible labeling system, but really I’m not sure I’ll invest more time to that end: Just knowing where the 10mm and a few other sizes are by setting them off with different colors, seems to do enough that I’m not spending all the time I used to digging through the drawer looking for a specific size. I find what I need fast now.

So how does all this affect you? We’ll I’m glad to explain it to you! First I’m offering this tool organizing widget solution for sale here at Badger Ridge. You too can organize your tool chest drawers in an effective and flexible manner. First you need to appreciate that these widgets have magnets in them. They want to stay where you put them in your tool chest drawer. You’ll be best served if three or more are snapped together to get much greater stability than a single widget. Also with the magnets, metal tools want to stay in them, but aren’t so stuck that its work to get a tool of of them. Second the widgets snap together and apart if you need to re-arrange them, and again for stability, you probably want to plan on having 3 or more widgets snapped together.

Also, before you buy you probably want to understand what sizes are available and what purpose they will probably serve. Let’s start with the standard widget:

Standard tool drawer organizer widget
Profile of standard tool drawer organizer widget

The standard widget holds wrenches smaller than 1″ (25mm), and does great with screw drivers with smaller shafts. However I’d plan on wrenches over 3/4″ (19mm) to fit better in a “large” widget:

Large Widget Profile
Large Widget Profile

Also I’ve found that standard screw drivers sit better in the large widget.

When I moved on to my drawer of ratchets I realized I needed a couple of different larger widgets. The standard and large widget have the same foot print, only their mouths had different profiles. But to hold the larger shafts of my 3/8″ and 1/2″ ratchets (bot standard and telescoping), I needed to make two larger widgets. I called them XL & Jumbo (see below)

Extra Large Widget Profile
Extra Large Widget Profile
Jumbo Widget Profile
Jumbo Widget Profile

The jumbo is double the width of the standard/large widgets, it holds my telescoping ratchets & 3/4″ drive ratchet. The XL widget is in between the Jumbo & the Standard/Large and holds my standard 3/8″ ratchets well.

So ignoring wrenches, if stuff to be held is under 5mm in diameter, use a standard widget. If its over 5mm but under 8mm, a large widget. Between 8 and 17mm, use and XL widget. Over 17mm, but un 26mm use a Jumbo.

In summary, let me break it down for you like this. If I was organizing a tool chest I’d count things in the following manner. First I’d go through and count all the wrenches. I’d break them down into two groups: how many below 19mm (3/4″) and above 19mm. I’d then break those into metric counts (for blue), and inch counts (for red). You might want to adjust these for using grey for 10mm etc… color choices are up to you.

For each wrench smaller than 19mm (3/4″) get a Standard Widget

For each wrench 19mm (3/4″) or larger get a Large Widget

Then segregate and count your remaining screw drivers, nut drivers, ratchets, extensions, etc, measuring at the diameter of the portion that would rest on the widget. Sort them by under 8mm, over 8mm, but under 15mm, and over 15mm.

For each screwdriver/nut driver with a shaft under 8mm driver get a Large Widget.

For each extension, and ratchet handle under 8mm (probably only 1/4 drive) get a Large Widget

For each screw driver, nut driver, etc., with a shaft 8mm (5/16) or larger get an XL Widget

For each extension, and each ratchet with a shaft over 8mm up to 17mm get an XL widget

For each extension & ratchet over 17mm (but under 26mm) diameter get an Jumbo widget

For each telescoping ratchet and 3/4″ ratchet (certainly will be over 17mm diameter) get a Jumbo

For each hammer handle (over 17mm diameter get a Jumbo

This has been an effort that had yield great rewards in organization and efficiency. I hope you have a similar pleasant experience making your tool chests do more for you. To get started putting these widgets in your cart please click here.

If you have a 3D printer and would like to purchase a personal use license to print our tool widgets, please click here.

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Benelli Clone Shotguns are great, but many need some basic upgrades

My favorite shotgun (if I don’t have to carry it while walking all day) is my Remington VersaMax. You may not know this: the VersaMax is a “sporterized”, improved, clone of the Benelli M4. I’ve shot mine a lot. So much that I ran into many of the issues that pop up from using them, even while caring for them. The first issue I had was light primer strikes/mis-fires. I went on a quest to figure out the issue and the fix.

The causes of light strikes might shock you. Everybody goes chasing down firing pin length/protrusion issues. While a broken our out of spec firing pin can cause the issue, if the pin isn’t obviously broken, its probably ok, and didn’t shrink. A bunch of folks were suggesting out of spec or damaged chambers, etc. That’s because if the bolt isn’t fully closed the firing pin cannot protrude completely. So I found that there were 3 basic areas to focus on simultaneously to ensure the bolt fully and properly closed. So I’d first look at the following inorder to fix the VersaMax light primer/failure to fire issues:

VersaMax Bolt with scar from burr in bolt carrier cam pin slot
VersaMax Bolt with scar from burr in bolt carrier cam pin slot

First, The bolt carrier: the cam pin slot slot frequently had a burr leftover from manufacturing that was gouging and impinging on the bolt and the Cam Pin itself deformed. It didn’t seem like it was up to the task of lasting for a long time. Removing the bur from the slot and buffing out the gouge the bur cut in the bolt improved my troubles.

File knocking burr of edge of cam pin slot in VersaMax bolt carrier
File knocking burr of edge of cam pin slot in VersaMax bolt carrier

My cam pin was deformed too. So I replaced the Cam pin with a better Benelli version, but those two improvements were not enough to fix my light primer strikes.

Deformed Remington Versa Max pin compared to new
Deformed Remington Versa Max pin compared to new

Second: the hammer/spring/plunger. I moved on to the trigger pack to find the hammer spring plunger was chrome plated, but was flaking off and created hard, abrasive, crunchy grime that bound up the hammer. This robbed my hammer of energy needed to hit the primer hard enough to detonate it. I attempted to fix the hammer plunger’s chipping chrome, but even after polishing the edge of the chrome still attached caught and slowed the spring’s push. It began the process of flaking more off. On top of that, the hammer itself was deformed and mushroomed. So I replaced the Hammer, Hammer plunger, and spring with Benelli parts.

Remelli Kit, Benelli Cam Pin, Hammer, Spring, Plunger for Versa Max shotgun
Remelli Kit, Benelli Cam Pin, Hammer, Spring, Plunger for Versa Max shotgun

Third: the manual doesn’t tell you to clean and lube the recoil spring. I removed the buttstock, removed the action spring from the tube in the butt, cleaned and lubed. This worked for a few hundred shots, but then I had to replace the recoil spring. It had worn. Mine had gone from about 13 inches long to just under 12 inches long.

Versa Max worn out action spring against new spring

I posted about my adventure and listed the parts I researched and then put up for sale. We’ve helped a bunch of folks get their VersaMax’s firing reliably again. Along the way I started getting calls from VersaMax shooters (and Stoeger M3000 shooters) about extractor and extractor spring issues. Others had lost their D/C clips while fixing their guns. So now we offer those too:

Benelli Extractor
Benelli Extractor

So if you need some advice, or parts please make a purchase or give us a call at 989 795 2526, send us and email, for fill out a contact form. We’d like to help you have a more reliable shot gun for a rewarding hunt.

Trigger Pack Hammer retaining D or C clip, Benelli, Remington VersaMax, Stoeger

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THE REMINGTON 700ML/MLS, A JEWEL IN THE ROUGH; Can you make it shine? (PART 2)

Originally posted at our old website on 4/23/2015

THE REMINGTON 700ML/MLS, A JEWEL IN THE ROUGH; Can you make it shine? (PART 2)

4/23/2015

Excerpted from Remington 700ML Owner’s Manual

Can You Make It Shine?  Yes! and Here’s How!

In my last post in The Badger’s Den I detailed how my first encounters with a “Canadian 209” modification on my Remington 700 MLS and subsequent years left me disappointed.   I knew the rifle could be more.   Over the summer of 2012 I began a journey through forums of dedicated muzzle-loader enthusiasts to find that there was a better solution; I just didn’t know about it.   The solution was a bit buried in forums full of customization, tinkering,  some bad ideas, and dead ends.  I hope to spare you all the details, cut to the chase, and share with you the product that has finally let me love my 700 MLS. 

The kit I found and fell in love with was developed by a guy named Fred, who sold it on a few dedicated muzzle loader forums.   It was called just a bolt nose kit.   But what we offer is more than just a bolt nose,  ours is the complete kit.  So here at Badger Ridge we call it the “Hunter Remington 700 ML/MLS 209 Conversion Kit, by Badger Ridge”. 

Close up of feeding a 209 primer into the kit’s breech plug

First let me truncate and summarize years of posts over many forums and years of development:   Fred developed the kit to modify the OEM Remington 700 ML/MLS black powder muzzle-loader to work properly with 209 primers.   At first he made the parts for himself and a few friends. Then the friends started sharing on the forums their success and general pleasure with the kits and from there it grew.   Then people started tinkering with smokeless modifications to the 700ML/MLS.   That required a barrel swap and and the original bolt nose was too short for the breech plugs that fit the smokeless barrels, so a second bolt nose was made just a bit longer and was called a “Smokeless” like the one you see below the OEM and the smoker, but…  ah… well I promised to keep it simple… and now I’m rambling… so  I’ll explain the “smoker” (standard black powder) modification kit we sell.  

Like I said, I’m just going to focus on making your “Smoker” work.   I suggest you keep it simple as well, and leverage the work and info I’m putting in this blog and my reference section… and end up with a great black powder rifle without breaking the bank. 


FINALLY THE WAY THE 700 ML/MLS SHOULD BE!

A Remington 700 MLS with the Hunter-Badger Ridge 209 Conversion Kit
Longer nose developed for Smokeless barrels (.085 longer than the smoker)

The long-nose above is only for use when re-barreling. We don’t recommend re-barreling and thus you won’t read much about long-noses.

Leaky Breech, OEM Remington 700 MLS

Leaky Breech, OEM Remington 700 MLS above. Note the percussion nipple. The Badger Ridge Remington 209 Conversion Kit is all you need to modify your 700 ML/MLS to use 209 primers without blow back, no special tools to carry in your possibles bag, and it protects the primer from weather (without plastic shrouds to lose).   Any questions?  No?  Good, Now rush off to Our Products and buy it!   Oh, wait you got questions… OK so read on:

Badger Ridge’s Remington 209 Conversion Kit

Back to what makes this 209 conversion so great:

Those familiar with the successful Savage ML-II may recognize some of it’s innovative features applied to the Badger Ridge Kit.   First should be the bolt nose.  

The original 700MLS bolt -needs- our bolt nose placed over the bolt body.  Its a firm press fit that is also held in place by by friction (you can also add loctite if you wish). It won’t move on you (unless you put a torch and a wrench to it).   The nose holds the primers firmly in place and ‘feeds’ them into the breach plug.  It works a lot like a single shot rifle, except you slide the primer into and out of the bolt nose.  No back pressure will be able to push the primer back and blow combustion gases all over the action because the bolt nose holds it firmly into the breech plug. 


Badger Ridge/Hunter breech plug above OEM with #11 percussion nipple

Next is the breech plug.   The original Remington breech plug was designed for percussion caps, not 209 primers. So with this kit the original breach plug is removed and discarded.  The kit’s breach plug is used in its place.   The kit’s breech plug is noticeably longer with a nose that protrudes in to the barrel. Thus a specific breech plug is required for each caliber; each kit is caliber specific. The longer length (and larger internal diameter) creates a much larger ‘flash chamber’ that allows the 209 primer to reach its maximum effectiveness with minimum blow back through the breech plug.  And even so, the flash chamber is sealed by the primer so that it functions as a sealed breech system; the primer keeps any blow back inside the flash chamber.

The kit’s breech plugs have the hole for the primer purposely tight.  This is so that it can be ‘tuned’ to the particular brand of primer you choose.    See the info in the references section for more info on tuning your breech plug with a letter “C” drill bit.

Also your OEM breech plug wrench (or a 7/16 socket on an extension) can remove or install the kit’s breech plug.  So no new or additional tools are required.

Breech plug with vent liner

vent liner is threaded into the end that abuts the powder charge.   A vent liner ‘focuses’ the fire made by the primer into the powder charge.   As the vent liner receives a lot of heat and pressure, it erodes over the course of many firings, however it has an 7/64 Allen head that allows removal for cleaning, inspection, and periodic replacement.  We provide a 17-4 Stainless vent liner with each kit.   The is regarded by many as the best and is interchangeable with the Savage.


A Real Firing Pin!!!

Finally we get to the firing pin.   Yes it is a real firing pin.  I couldn’t make myself call the OEM nor the Canadian 209 mod’s anything but a striker.   The OEM striker is removed and replaced by the kit’s firing pin.   The kit’s firing pin is purposely too long; it will need to be shortened to the proper protrusion and shaped to properly discharge a primer without piercing it.  Every kit’s firing pin requires fine tuning to the individual bolt.   

OEM striker next to Badger Ridge/Hunter firing pin

DIY or pay us?  You choose!

The bolt modifications may be something you do, something you have a gunsmith do, or you can just send us your bolt and for an appropriate fee we’ll do the bolt modification.  If you choose us, all you’ll have to do is purchase the kit with installation, mail us your rifle’s bolt, we’ll do the modification (we always replace the main spring with a new one) and send it back with a new breech plug and vent liner (see this installation service page for the details).  Once you get your bolt, all you’ll need to do is assemble the rifle per the Remington 700 ML owners manual (You may need to tune the breech plug with a letter C bit to feed your choice of primers). 

For you bolt mod Do-It-Your-Selfers, you’ll need to drill a hole into the new firing pin during the installation (a bit is provided in the kit), and install the cross pin to hold the firing pin in the cocking piece/firing pin guide.   In-case you lose the original bolt’s cross pin, a spare roll is included in the kit as well.   You will also need a vice with jaws that open at least 6 inches, or a hydraulic press, and the ability to file the firing pin to tolerances held to 5/1000ths of an inch.   

A detailed Instruction guide has been posted to the reference pages.

Start making Gems out of rough stones!

Our Remington 209 Conversion Kit alleviates blow back by solidly holding the primer into the breech plug.  It improves the accuracy and the performance of the 209 primer by using an improved breech plug, it promotes longevity by using a common replaceable, inexpensive vent liner, and strikes the primer with a real firing pin.    Now you can turn that rifle you couldn’t give away into a real performer.   

So get that old 700ML out from the back of the closet and breathe new life into it with our 209 system! Or when you are walking through the local gun shop and see the lonely 700ML/MLS sitting in the corner with the discount sticker on it, go ahead and pick it up.   You know how to turn that rough stone into a gem.

Soon in The Badger’s Den,  I’ll get on my stump about the only powder I shoot in my 700MLS: BlackHorn209

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THE REMINGTON 700ML/MLS, A JEWEL IN THE ROUGH; Can You Make It Shine? Part 1

Excerpted from Remington 700 Manual

Can you make it shine? YES! BUT FIRST YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM AND YOUR OPTIONS

In 2002 I returned from a 3 year overseas tour.   I started my new job as a flight instructor and I started back into my old ways of hunting, fishing, and tinkering with guns.   My dad, ever so generous, gave me a muzzle-loader he picked up on the cheap.   Remington made a muzzle-loader based off of their bolt action center-fire model 700.  The blued steel version was called the 700ML.  The stainless version, sometimes called the magnum, was the 700MLS.  The benefits of converting a center-fire design to a muzzle-loader were obvious to me:

  1. Center-fire rifles typically have faster lock times
  2. It could use standard Remington 700 short action rings and mounts, and some other accessories
  3. It had a good trigger (for a factory rifle)
  4. It resembled the bolt action rifle I used the rest of the deer season
  •  The safety was in the same spot.
  •  The stock was pretty much the same
  •  Though it was a single shot, the bolt worked the same as well.

Before I ever fired it,  I read the owners manual, scoured the internet, read forums, and consumed every bit of information I could find.   I poured over ChuckHawks article after ChuckHawks article. They were not very kind to the 700ML.  I found most who had used the 700ML/MLS had high hopes going in but found it had less than desirable attributes as a muzzle-loader.    Hence why my dad was able to pick one up at such a low price.   The biggest problems I noted during my research:

1- #11 percussion caps are not as reliable and hot as 209 primers.

2- The bolt was held in by an Allen head screw with an un-threaded tip.  It was easy to miss align, mangle the bolt and have a hard to work bolt.

3- Burning powder blows back through the percussion cap and into the bolt and action 

(note 3 happens on side locks too, but the orientation of the lock and simplicity of the hammer make it less significant)

Black powder residue is corrosive.  Blow back throughout the action caused the shooter to have to remove the bolt, disassemble and clean it after shooting the rifle.   Failure to clean would certainly result in corroding the striker, spring, and inside of the bolt.   Blow back got all over a scope, and some of the blow back could get into the trigger as well.   To clean that, one had to remove the barreled action from the stock.  This meant that one could possibly shift the zero after every cleaning.  I had doubts as to how much, and made sure I used a torque wrench on each action screw.   I then scribed a mark on each screw so that I could put them back with in the same tension after a field cleaning without a torque wrench.   I didn’t know what more I could do.   I wasn’t to concerned: I’d know if that was going to be a problem after a few range sessions.

The Savage design was taking over the market in the center-fire modified to muzzle-loader rifle.   It had all the benefits and addressed some of the problems I had read about.  But I had a free 700MLS in my hand and a desire to tinker.  I knew I could and had to modify it.  

I took the burs off of the tip of my Bolt Stop Screw with a file, and used a stone to work away the burs and abrasions on the bolt that I made when i misaligned and tightened up the screw.   I lubed bolt and the slot the bolt stop screw rides in with anti-seize grease.  No problems now,  check off #2.

I also knew I had ‘better’ options than black powder.   My dad had always used Pyrodex in his traditional side locks.   I further researched and decided on Hodgdon Triple Seven.   It was available in pellets and granular powder.  It also was reported to be ‘less’ corrosive than black powder and Pyrodex, but still corrosive.   I was suspicious of the claim of being “less corrosive” as a possible sales pitch.   But when I realized Hodgdon made both Pyrodex and Triple Seven I wasn’t as worried; they had a solid reputation.  I chose the granular powder because it was cheaper and allowed me to work up a load in smaller increments and see what my rifle would shoot best.  For bullets, my research pointed me to MMP sabots and jacketed 45 caliber handgun bullets.   I bought rings and put on a solid 4×32 scope. 


The thing that really needed to go was the #11 percussion cap system.   So off I went on my internet search to find a 209 modification for it.    And at that time the pickings were slim on conversions (and still are).   I found and purchased online what I’ll call a “Canadian” 209 kit.  There really wasn’t any other 209 options.  The kit came with a special tool to remove and replace the firing pin/striker with the included striker.  It also had a new main spring, a 209 nipple to replace the #11 percussion cap nipple, and a fork to install the nipple and remove fired primers.   Once I got the kit, I followed the instructions and I thought I had it whipped… but I really didn’t. 

I went to the range and followed the Remington 700 ML/MLS Owners Manual as I worked up loads.  I found that my rifle shot the best at 80 grains.  Also there was still a bunch of blow back even at low charges, that worsened as I stepped up the load.   As charges increased I started to find fragments of primers in the cavity around the primer holder.  So, for many years I used 80 grains of Triple Seven, black MMP sabots, and .451cal 250gr Hornady XTP bullets.   I deformed primers and had blow back, but the rifle was accurate at 80 grains.  It was the best I could make of it; hotter loads weren’t an option.  

I killed deer, cleaned the rifle, set the screws back to their scribe indexes and had no problems with point of impact shifts.


MY FIRST ATTEMPT (Canadian kit) WAS LESS THAN I HAD HOPED

Leaky Canadian 209 nipple (fail)

I was disappointed with the amount of blow back I was getting, and the labor it took to take the rifle apart and clean it.  I was always a bit worried I missed something in the bolt and would have a failure to fire at a critical moment… say when the shoulder of a Boone and Crockett trophy was in the cross hairs.   Also, after shooting a deer, gutting it, and hauling it out of the woods, I was beat.  The last thing I wanted to do was tear down a rifle and clean it.  But I did.

I had to understand what was happening with the ‘Canadian’ 209 modification if I was going to do better.    The replacement firing pin ended with a large cylinder that had a nipple that fired the primer.    The ‘Canadian’ kit used the original OEM breach plug, but had the replacement 209 nipple threaded into it.   It was a bit tricky to get a primer in and the kit came with a fork to remove the spent primer that was also the wrench to snug up the nipple into the breech plug.  Extra tools to carry in the field didn’t sit well with me, but I put them in my possibles bag.


Leaky Canadian 209 nipple (fail)

There was a small slot across the face for the fork to engage and a large cut out in the side for a spring to hold the primer in place.  When cocked to fire, there was a gap between the striker face and the 209 primer. Nothing held the primer in place besides the spring on the nipple.  Also the primer was exposed to the weather unless I used the OEM plastic cover.   I had read that the weather shroud was not to be used with 209 primers somewhere, and had entered the land of operating outside the manual.

When the rifle fired, the striker sprung forward and struck the primer. With ignition came large pressures that blew the primer out and back against the face of the firing pin.   With the firing pin being only held against the primer by spring pressure, the primer could move aft, unseat, and spray blow back.   Not to mention the nipple holding it was slotted so that pressure could blow the primer out that way too.   It was obvious why I was getting blow back, deformed and blown up primers.   This explained why it worsened as I worked up powder charges.

So the Canadian 209 modification worked… but was messy, and the primer was exposed unless I took a perceived risk of adding the plastic weather shroud.   I also lost the shroud on a hunting trip and had to purchase another.  I knew that my rifle returned to zero after I cleaned it.  I killed deer, and never had a hang or a miss fire.  I loved the trigger, and the feel.  But I still wasn’t happy with the blow back.

I had to find a better way, so I again searched high and low.  Eventually I found the  best Remington 700ML 209 modification!  

And that is the subject of my next Badger’s Den: THE REMINGTON 700ML/MLS, A JEWEL IN THE ROUGH; Can you make it shine? (PART 2)


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